Blakes7 January 2001

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Re: Rickman
by Helen Krummenacker 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

> Believe me, you don't have to be an Avon fan to succumb to Alan Rickman. > He's mesmeric. BTW whatever happened to his film about Messmer? > Cheers > Chris Blenkarn If anyone can answer this, please do.

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Re: [B7L] Deliverance
by Sally Manton 02 Feb '01

02 Feb '01

Wendy wrote: <After a bit of Freudian imagery of Avon firing off a big rocket and fertalising her race, he then leaves her to die of radiation poisoning on Cephlon, having taken away her reason for living!> Now let us be reasonable ... he took away said reason at her RATHER LOUD request (as far as she was concerned, doing so was *his* reason for living IMO). Yes, the plot has decidedly sexist overtones, but I do think what's been done *with* it tends to skew them. Meegat may be totally subservient, but she is also the most in control of her part in the situation - she is totally unembarrassed, almost assured, as distinct from My Darling whose macho sexist role is rather undercut by his own kerflummoxed reactions (a lovely mixture of flattered, embarrassed, and - every time she throws herself at his feet - mildly appalled :-)). And Vila's teasing is aimed straight at *him* (even if somewhat unkind to Meegat, who barely notices Vila's existence anyway). I do love Avon's "let's not start that again" and his answer to Vila's "you're enjoying this, aren't you?" "*Probably*." (he really *isn't* sure ...) The biggest problem *is* the fact that they appear to leave her there alone (a case of Bad Writer Syndrome, of course - I get the feeling the writer meant Meegat to have gone with the brood-rocket, but screwed it up by showing said rocket leaving). But none of the rest - not even Jenna or Cally, nor the anything-but-piggish Gan, nor Fearless Leader (of the infamous Bleeding Heart, remember?) - appear to have had any problems with Meegat being left. The obvious if inadequate inference is that she *chose* not to leave her home. Alternately <g> she *was* on the Liberator being ferried to safety, but Avon's put her in one of the spare cabins during the flight and is keeping her and her penchant for throwing herself at his feet away from Blake's eyes (somehow, I don't think Avon could *stand* to have Blake see it ...). And from Ellynne: <Although, it would have been fun to have Blake being held at gunpoint and Ensor having to negotiate with someone with that attitude.> Ohh, yes ... watching anyone at all try to intimidate Blake would be enormous fun ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: Re: [B7L] Deliverance
by una＠q-research.connectfree.co.uk 02 Feb '01

02 Feb '01

Neil wrote: >From: Penberriss Wendy S. <penberriss(a)yahoo.com> > >> Recently I have watched the episode Deliverance and >> was surprised to see how sexist it was! Worse than >> Power, even! What do other people think? > >I think the difference between the two is that Deliverance, whilst betraying >the sexist mindset of its author, is not actively promoting a misogynistic >agenda, whereas Power is. Ah - but is that more insidious? Una

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Re: Penny's script
by Helen Krummenacker 02 Feb '01

02 Feb '01

Pennt said: > > At 07:00 AM 1/30/01 -0500, Harriet Monkhouse invoked my name three times > and so I did appear before her in the mirror: > Is THAT all we have to do to get you to do a rewrite for us? Penny Dreadful, I conjure thee; Penny Dreadful, I invoke thee; Penny Dreadful...care to tackle (maim and destroy) Rumours of Death?

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Re: [B7L] Deliverance
by Ellynne G. 02 Feb '01

02 Feb '01

On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:14:47 -0800 (PST) "Penberriss Wendy S." <penberriss(a)yahoo.com> writes: > > No, sorry Neil but Deliverance is far more > misogynistic than Power. In Deliverance Meegat is > totally subservient to Lord Avon. Er, yes, but (sorry, multiple points follow) 1) We have no evidence that Meegat's priestess position _had_ to be filled by a woman. It could have just as well have been a man doing the groveling bit. We're given no reason to believe _gender_ is necessary for her job (although a case could be made for young and healthy). 2) Given some of the historical cases Meegat's worship was probably based on (Montezuma and Cortez, Hawaiians and Cook [sort of]) her behavior is based on male precedents. 3) Meegat, being presented with three men, picks a man. We don't know that she wouldn't have picked Jenna (who, with her piloting experience, may have been more qualified to get the rocket launched). 4) Meegat's use of what are male nouns and pronouns do not necessarily argue against this since arguments could be made about what constitutes a neuter form in her language/dialect and how that would translate in general or in this case specifically. She's incapable of > launching the rocket herself It seems safe to assume Meegat's people had some males among them, none of whom were rocket scientists. and requires a man to do > it. No, she requires a rocket scientist - or pilot, or engineer, or whizzo computer freak. The rocket is nothing more than a crude metaphor Er, it's just possible the rocket looked like a rocket because that's what rockets look like, isn't it? I don't recall Freud being hired as a consultant for NASA. > and once the gene bank is launched Avon leaves her, to > die presumably. I grant you that Avon is suffering radiation poisoning and that quickly leaving and getting the needed medicine must rank pretty high so, no, I don't think he hung around too long after. I also admit that I like to think the Liberator came back later and offered to take her and her people to another planet (if the Mayflower could handle that many people for months, I'm sure the Liberator could handle it for a few days). Since the Liberator had faster than light capacity, it could conceivably have dropped them off on the planet the rocket was heading for, giving Meegat and her people a new prophecy to await the fulfillment of and filling that void in her life. As for Cally and Ensor Jr, I love the look on her face when he holds the gun to her head, a sort of, "Not another one of _these_ idiots" look. Although, it would have been fun to have Blake being held at gunpoint and Ensor having to negotiate with someone with that attitude. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Re: Blake's 7 - the Other Version
by Harriet Monkhouse 02 Feb '01

02 Feb '01

Sally had lots of wonderful ideas, and a few duff ones: >Anywhere at all after The Way Back ... bring back Dev Tarrant. Make Dev and Del the same person. >The Web ... >Expand the Cally-being-taken-over story to expound >on Avon & Jenna's ideas about pitching *her*. Hear hear! It's her second episode, only the first time she's ever been taken over, and a perfectly good storyline about how on earth they're going to trust her again even if they don't dump her peters out with "Oh, she's OK again now." Lots of scope for Cally/Jenna interaction. Er, maybe other list. >SLD - more Bercol and Rontane, please. Repeat for any given episode. >Trial - see SLD. Ditto. >Killer - deal with the fact that Our Heroes didn't catch > the bug. Let Dr Bellfriar /Gambrill/Tynus/even Dr Wiler >survive and join Our Heroes (lovely set of guests this >one has). Gosh, I must go back and look at Dr Wiler. And Julia, about that story again... >Voice - make the storyline make sense, cut it down and >show what happened afterwards. Substitute Alta Morag > for Ven Glyn. Ooh yes. I may be one of the few Voices for the Past, but this is the single thing that would make it even better. That and Bercol and Rontane. >After Star One - have Zen's search-and-rescue program >(aka 'let's turn me into a dumping ground for stray waifs') >go a bit skewed, so instead of listening to Orac and picking > up Our Heroes, he collects a brand-new seven fleeing from >Freedom City (which got dented by a passing Andromedan >fruit juicer) - Krantor and Toise, the Klute, Chenie, Jarriere, >a paratrooper in a nun's habit (wrong fandom?) and one of >those Sheiks of Arabeee ... And Garak. And someone being played by Alan Rickman. (Privately, I am totally overcome at the subtlety in which you managed to sneak in the really key bit here...) >Alternately, Powerplay - bring Fearless Leader back (yes, >yes, what do you expect from moi? This is a *fantasy* edit, Suits my fantasy. > Have the new President cut up for spare parts, just for fun No, no! But you could give Calle his fantasy and have the Chengans start cutting her clothes off her before she's rescued... >The Harvest of Kairos - kill Jarvik fifty minutes earlier. Penny's done that. Hang on - I have another idea. Get Penny to write the script instead of Ben Steed. >Rumours of Death - hire someone else to play Anna NO!!! >Death-Watch - someone speak *severely* to Zen about >the clothes he/it's doling out at this stage. Keep Deeta. Or have Deeta turn out to be Dev (assuming Del wasn't him). >Power - shoot Ben Steed. And hire Penny again. By the way, hitwoman, BS is your next target... >Stardrive - pretend it never happened. But keep Vila being clever while pretending to be drunk. Just attach it to something more interesting, preferably involving Bercol, Rontane, Alta Morag, Dev Tarrant or Jarriere... >Assassin ... > Kill Piri just before we meet her and make Neebrox the assassin instead. Penny's killed her too. Neebrox is a brilliant idea, but why not substitute our very own hitwoman at this point? >Sand ... >Let the sand bury the pair of them. OTOH, let's >hear more of Orac's rhapsodising ... Have Orac fall in love with Servalan. >Blake Stop PD overacting in the final scene. Bother, I'm supposed to be working today... Harriet

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Re: [B7L] Deliverance
by Sally Manton 02 Feb '01

02 Feb '01

Wendy wrote: <By making him look like a bastard for kicking her in the teeth any time she bows down?> Eeep ... he only sort of does that once, and it's more jumping back in sheer embarrassment. I mean, how would *you* react if it were you :-) (and someone like Vilkins was looking on)? For the most part, he treats her rather nicely, but as a sweet, idiot child. For My Darling, this is actually rather good, remember ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Deliverance
by Penberriss Wendy S. 01 Feb '01

01 Feb '01

--- Neil Faulkner <N.Faulkner(a)tesco.net> wrote: > From: Penberriss Wendy S. <penberriss(a)yahoo.com> > > > > Recently I have watched the episode Deliverance > and > > was surprised to see how sexist it was! Worse than > > Power, even! What do other people think? > > I think the difference between the two is that > Deliverance, whilst betraying > the sexist mindset of its author, is not actively > promoting a misogynistic > agenda, whereas Power is. No, sorry Neil but Deliverance is far more misogynistic than Power. In Deliverance Meegat is totally subservient to Lord Avon. She's incapable of launching the rocket herself and requires a man to do it. The rocket is nothing more than a crude metaphor and once the gene bank is launched Avon leaves her, to die presumably. See also my answer to Marion. Wendy __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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Re: Blake's 7 - the Other Version
by Harriet Monkhouse 01 Feb '01

01 Feb '01

Penny made excuses: >Unfortunately as an imaginary assassin I can only > kill imaginary people, so you will first have to present > me proof that Ben Steed is an imaginary person. *Imagine* killing him, then. Do you think people like Ben Steed really exist, then? Harriet

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Re: [B7L] Deliverance
by Penberriss Wendy S. 01 Feb '01

01 Feb '01

--- Marian de Haan <maya(a)multiweb.nl> wrote: > Wendy wrote: > >Recently I have watched the episode Deliverance and > was surprised to see > how sexist it was! Worse than Power, even!< > > In what way? Avon behaves like a gentleman to > Meegat, he doesn't grab, kiss > or shoot her. In what way!? Are you kidding? After a bit of Freudian imagery of Avon firing off a big rocket and fertalising her race, he then leaves her to die of radiation poisoning on Cephlon, having taken away her reason for living! A case if wham, bang, thank you man. What a sexist pig! Wendy __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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